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Старый 14.07.2017, 13:16   #1
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Dante BiA 6195929 W/L - 12 points
Zer0 Iron 6262287 W/L - 7 points
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Aristocrat Iron 7583901 W/L - 7 points
Cat USSR 2170625 W/L - 6 points
gabi2414 BiA 8528013 W/L - 4 points

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Старый 15.07.2017, 23:57   #2
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I like this group :D
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Старый 16.07.2017, 00:11   #3
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I actually have an issue with the formation of this group. The rules actually state that the group must be formed by the place which he have earned in his group. I have placed second in mine, which should direct me here. Instead I have been put in Blue.

Upon questioning Dante about this he said:

|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: in group white 2 gauls
|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: i changed u and zero
Luke-Invictus: so just have a mod
Luke-Invictus: esrax can make a mod for this
Luke-Invictus: no problem
|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: In the group stage you can do without mods
|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: we can*
Luke-Invictus: but now u have fucked me over....

So, he changed me and Zer0. There is nothing about switching if two of the same appear in a group, so this is already a slight deviation from the rules. I dont have a big problem with this in and of itself. I then asked why he chose to switch me and zer0, and not zyzz and one of his group mates, or me and a different group mate besides zer0.

Dante then countered by saying other changes would pair up the same factions in other groups. This isnt true, though. Switching me and nermin would not result in a double faction pairing, or me and kleo, and im sure several of zyzz's group mates.

So, the main issue here, is that there is no unbiased way to switch me with someone. Dante made a choice, which is bad if it was arbitrary, and infinitely worse if he chose based on his preferred opponent in the second round. (Perhaps Nermin's stronger pikes do not mesh well with the prospect of boxing.)

This is the kind of thing a good admin should try to avoid at all costs.

I offer two suggestions

1. We forget about this switching business and have Esrax or Napoleon make a mod.

2. The choice be made between the various switching candidates by a random number generator.

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Старый 16.07.2017, 00:33   #4
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prediction

1. Dante
2. Aristocrat
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Старый 16.07.2017, 00:49   #5
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I actually have an issue with the formation of this group. The rules actually state that the group must be formed by the place which he have earned in his group. I have placed second in mine, which should direct me here. Instead I have been put in Blue.

Upon questioning Dante about this he said:

|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: in group white 2 gauls
|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: i changed u and zero
Luke-Invictus: so just have a mod
Luke-Invictus: esrax can make a mod for this
Luke-Invictus: no problem
|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: In the group stage you can do without mods
|-BiA-|_Dante_{Sen}: we can*
Luke-Invictus: but now u have fucked me over....

So, he changed me and Zer0. There is nothing about switching if two of the same appear in a group, so this is already a slight deviation from the rules. I dont have a big problem with this in and of itself. I then asked why he chose to switch me and zer0, and not zyzz and one of his group mates, or me and a different group mate besides zer0.

Dante then countered by saying other changes would pair up the same factions in other groups. This isnt true, though. Switching me and nermin would not result in a double faction pairing, or me and kleo, and im sure several of zyzz's group mates.

So, the main issue here, is that there is no unbiased way to switch me with someone. Dante made a choice, which is bad if it was arbitrary, and infinitely worse if he chose based on his preferred opponent in the second round. (Perhaps Nermin's stronger pikes do not mesh well with the prospect of boxing.)

This is the kind of thing a good admin should try to avoid at all costs.

I offer two suggestions

1. We forget about this switching business and have Esrax or Napoleon make a mod.

2. The choice be made between the various switching candidates by a random number generator.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I did not choose an opponent for myself
I did not set a goal to choose a more comfortable opponent
In 3 groups there were identical fractions
RED - 2 Rome
BLUE - 2 Sele and 2 Arm
WHITE - 2 gauls

I changed only the repeating fractions

Why did not you offer a third option to replace you and Zyzz? Maybe because for YOU group uncomfortable?)
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Старый 16.07.2017, 00:53   #6
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Actually I have same question as Luke. My group (Red) should look like:

Touro IBEROS
dionyzos
Tara
Zer0

instead of
Elnino CoH 2143234 W/L
Bucle CoH 745621 W/L
Tara RV 7405183 W/L
Kleomenis GREEK 3655179 W/L

I understand why Touro isn't there, but why there is no dionizos/Zero?
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Старый 16.07.2017, 00:57   #7
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I did not choose an opponent for myself
I did not set a goal to choose a more comfortable opponent
In 3 groups there were identical fractions
RED - 2 Rome
BLUE - 2 Sele and 2 Arm
WHITE - 2 gauls

I changed only the repeating fractions

Why did not you offer a third option to replace you and Zyzz? Maybe because for YOU group uncomfortable?)
I didnt accuse you of choosing an opponent for yourself, I just said that you took an action which is INDISTINGUISHABLE from choosing an opponent for yourself.
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Старый 16.07.2017, 00:59   #8
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Again, I highly doubt that you did it for your own benefit, its far more likely that you haphazardly slapped together these groups without having a justification for which players to switch. All I ask for is a reason why you chose this particular permutation, and not one of the many others which can exist.
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Старый 16.07.2017, 01:01   #9
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Either way, I fully respect whatever decision is made.
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Старый 16.07.2017, 01:02   #10
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I do like there being different factions in each group, but yes, could you show the formula you used to switch them?
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